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2019 02 23: Policy Alert for File & Video Attachments 2019-08


JoelR

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Policy : 2019-08 File Attachments & Video

I wanted to share my thoughts about this issue before I talk about the policy alert, so the community can understand my concerns.  Large file attachments and videos are extremely hard for a casual website like ours. 

Large file attachments are problematic due to bandwidth.  Storage is cheap, but bandwidth is expensive and it's especially expensive for us because I pay premium for edge locations to serve our content a fraction of a second faster for a better experience.  I don't mind doing that for regular images.  But a large file, whether it's a GIF or a large PNG image, will be downloaded and served potentially thousands of times which compounds the bandwidth issue and ultimately drives a higher cost for the website.  If someone would like to underwrite the website for the next 5 years, I'm happy to pass on the bill and we can spend as much money as you'd like.  But if I'm going to be spending several hundreds (!) of dollars on the website per month out of pocket, then yes, I'd like to tighten my belt as much as possible.  I was especially distraught when I discovered the following files:

  • Irrelevant files - An entire Firefox installation of 55 MB was being saved to our community.  Why?  I have no clue.  Go to FireFox and download it from there.  
  • Private files - We're not a file transfer storage between members.  Our goal should be to share our content with the AdonisMale community and the world, not between two or three private members.  If you're doing a private exchange for private gain, then do it privately and offsite.  
  • Extremely large files - I don't mind files that are 1 MB or even 5 MB, but there were some extremely large videos and files that were over 100+ MB.  One of the largest files only benefited 3 people (eg. 3 views) but it made up 1% of that month's total traffic, which is a disproportionate impact.       

Videos are also an especially difficult challenge.  Videos are very, very hard to do right.  Just because there are lots of popular sites like YouTube, Vimeo , DailyMotion, and Twitch that make video seem seamless and easy, there is tremendous amount of engineering work that goes on behind the scenes.  Video needs to be transcoded to generate multiple versions of each source file for different devices and browsers; served in a fast HTML5 video player, delivered for high performance local caching and adaptive bitrate for smooth playback, optimized depending on device and stream, and so much more.  

How much does our website do of these video requirements?  None.    

When you upload a video to our website, it is literally a raw file.  It doesn't undergo any of the transcoding, optimization, storage, and delivery required for a proper experience.  So when I say I really, really don't like video, I mean it -- not because I don't like videos, but that we won't do a good job (or any job).  It's a terrible experience for the community: the video doesn't display if your browser and OS don't supports the file format; it won't be delivered smoothly because there's no streaming that happens; and forget about things like optimization and cloud delivery.  

With that said, I recognize that videos can be a useful and important part of our community's content and I'd like to still allow small videos in a limited fashion.  But I strongly encourage users to utilize a third-party video site like YouTube, Vimeo or PornHub to upload the video and then embed the video to our site.  That gives a better experience to users. 

Policy Alert

A limit has been applied to the attachments per content item:

  • Members: Limit of 5 MB per content item
  • Champions & VIP Olympians: Limit of 10 MB per content item

This is a total limit per post, status update, comment, etc.  For example, if you write a new post, then you can have 1 video or 100 photos as long as the total size of all attachments is less than your limit.  This is meant to curb the more excessive files that are being passed through.

These limits may be adjusted based on community feedback.

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While I am not a big user of attachments, I understand your concerns, Joel.

I am not the right person to comment on the file limits you suggest, so I leave that to others using them.

For the videos: I saw a thread where Pindle did exactly what you suggested. But his videos were often directly deleted by Pornhub.

🙂

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Thanks for your explanation, @JoelR.

When I "Insert image from URL", are they just linked or does the board software downloads them onto your servers?

I noticed, when I enter an album, a high traffic is caused for several seconds. I assume all images are preloaded for a better user experience.

If my assumption is correct,  a lot of valuable bandwidth is wasted unless one watches every single photo. I mean, if I just look at the album's preview, ALL full size images have already been transferred, not just the thumbnails.

It wouldn't bother me if I had to wait some milliseconds for the next photo being displayed. (I only speak for myself.)

🙂

 

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Your explanation sounds reasonable to me.  I don't know much about bandwidth and all that stuff, but I think the site is just great without videos. :Yes:

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5 hours ago, Tomster said:

Thanks for your explanation, @JoelR.

When I "Insert image from URL", are they just linked or does the board software downloads them onto your servers?

I noticed, when I enter an album, a high traffic is caused for several seconds. I assume all images are preloaded for a better user experience.

If my assumption is correct,  a lot of valuable bandwidth is wasted unless one watches every single photo. I mean, if I just look at the album's preview, ALL full size images have already been transferred, not just the thumbnails.

It wouldn't bother me if I had to wait some milliseconds for the next photo being displayed. (I only speak for myself.)

🙂

 

When you do Insert Images from URL, we do a temporary download for 30 days of the image.  We save and store the file ourselves so we can be faster.  I'm okay with that.  

The next version of the software will implement "lazy load," which is a widely used feature on the web that only loads images as they come into the viewport.  That should help a lot.  

I also want to clarify that out of the million images and files, I'm only worried about the largest 50 .  So it's a tiny fraction that cause me concern.  

Thanks for everybody's understanding.  

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hey Joel, after reading this i realize that some of my albums far exceed this limit!! i do not mind helping where i can, by creating albums with collections of pics that exceed this limit by adding a few of the pics to the album, and upload the zipped file for each download off site at sendspace, and send out links to those interested in saving the entire collection. the links are only good for 7 days, but i have no problem doing the upload again and again, as it only takes maybe 30 seconds to upload, save the link and share them again and again as well. i can also do this with some of my larger collections that i have previously created albums for at my club MuscleManHeaven!!! at least 2 of them are close to if not over 100MB, and that was after i reduced the sizes of the pics down to around 100kb each. i can add this info to the description for all to read, so they know they can ask for the zipped file, if there is an interest!! with love from Wes!! hugs!!! 

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7 minutes ago, bakersman94 said:

hey Joel, after reading this i realize that some of my albums far exceed this limit!! i do not mind helping where i can, by creating albums with collections of pics that exceed this limit by adding a few of the pics to the album, and upload the zipped file for each download off site at sendspace, and send out links to those interested in saving the entire collection. the links are only good for 7 days, but i have no problem doing the upload again and again, as it only takes maybe 30 seconds to upload, save the link and share them again and again as well. i can also do this with some of my larger collections that i have previously created albums for at my club MuscleManHeaven!!! at least 2 of them are close to if not over 100MB, and that was after i reduced the sizes of the pics down to around 100kb each. i can add this info to the description for all to read, so they know they can ask for the zipped file, if there is an interest!! with love from Wes!! hugs!!! 

You're fine. I don't mind if the total album with many images is 100 MB.

But there were some rare instances where individual files were over 100 MB per file.  

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13 hours ago, JoelR said:

I also want to clarify that out of the million images and files, I'm only worried about the largest 50 .  So it's a tiny fraction that cause me concern. 

So, as is often the case, it's only the " top 1%" or even the "top 0.1%" that are causing the problem. 😀

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