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How expensive is your life?


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I had a nice conversation with Jack recently. While we talked about beer, beer prices and several taxes, I got the idea for a topic about our expenses. 

In my region I would have to pay about 800 euros per month rent for an apartment of 120 square meters. Extra costs and costs for heating are included, energy costs are not.

€ 60 for Internet, telephone and television per month (landlines) 

€ 20 for regional newspaper (digital) per month

€ 0.75 for 1 l milk

€ 8 for 1 kg butter

€ 10-15 for 1 kg of my favorite cheese sorts 

€ 11 for a cradle of 20 bottles of beer (premium brands) = 10 liter 

€ 10 for 1 kg of my favorite Italian coffee 

... 

These prices already include all taxes. 

I was wondering if you have to pay more or less. 

Please feel free to add more items to the shopping basket. 

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An easy to use unit conversion tool is https://www.convertworld.com/.

 

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That's an interesting topic indeed, Tommy!

As we're living in the same country, most prices are similar for me except the ones with regional character:

- Rent is quite a bit more expensive where I live: You'd have to pay around 1200€ for a 120 sqm flat. And this price does not include any extra cost. To include those, you can add another 100€ per month.

- As I buy regional milk (in the supermarket), I pay about 1.15€ per litre.

The rest is nearly similar.

 

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Much the same here in the Netherlands. Foodstuffs etc are cheaper here at Aldi, but it pays to shop around.

The rest is about the same here in Holland, depending on which part you live.

I think it is more expensive in Amsterdam, but then again it invariably is in any Capital city.

(Porridge, of which I am exceedingly fond is 47 cents for 500g per pkt). 

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It's not as straighforward as this, is it, though.

Food is  cheaper in Hungary, so are telecom costs - I pay about  € 30 a month for TV/internet/landline

Also I have my own flat, so I don't have to pay rent (now that can be outrageously high in Hungary, esp. in Budapest)

But wages are also a lot lower than, say, in the Netherlands - in fact, the national minimum wage is the second lowest in the EU.  The  percentage of your monthly income you have left each month after paying the bills and food (there is a name for it in statistics but I can't remember) is also among the lowest. That is, we spend a lot more (proportionately) on basic expenses, and a lot less on extras like culture, sports or entertainment than people in Western Europe.

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here in Canada, i pay 534.22 EUR for rent, but that is just for my bedroom. we pay 1,018.35 to rent one floor of a small house. i pay 133.55 EUR for cable and internet this is for the whole house, not just my bedroom. we usually pay 333.89 EUR for groceries for the month. 2 litre`s of milk is 2.76 EUR, a loaf of bread is 1.8 EUR, a pound of butter is 2.34 EUR.

i am on old age pension and receive €1081.79 a month. i only pay part of the rent, for my bedroom. my nephew has a smaller bedroom and he pays €333.89 EUR a month, my sister buys the groceries and pays the remainder of the rent. my cell phone costs me €39.13 EUR a month. my last pair of Nike running shoes/sneakers were €36.73. an evening at the movies costs €13.36 EUR nd this includes a medium sized soda  and the same size  box of popcorn.if there is anything i can offer the price we pay in Canada, just ask!! with love from Wes!! hugs!!! 

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19 hours ago, majikthis said:

It's not as straighforward as this, is it, though.

Food is  cheaper in Hungary, so are telecom costs - I pay about  € 30 a month for TV/internet/landline

Also I have my own flat, so I don't have to pay rent (now that can be outrageously high in Hungary, esp. in Budapest)

But wages are also a lot lower than, say, in the Netherlands - in fact, the national minimum wage is the second lowest in the EU.  The  percentage of your monthly income you have left each month after paying the bills and food (there is a name for it in statistics but I can't remember) is also among the lowest. That is, we spend a lot more (proportionately) on basic expenses, and a lot less on extras like culture, sports or entertainment than people in Western Europe.

@majikthis : This is an extremely important point that can't be overemphasized!  International comparisons of the "cost of living" (the US term for this concept) are extremely difficult, and simple conversions using exchange rates can be very misleading.  Exchange rates don't accurately reflect differences in costs and standards of living, or what's roughly called "purchasing power parity."  An obvious example:  US energy prices in general, especially gasoline/petrol prices, are significantly (and notoriously) lower than in the EU.  

Exchange rates only represent what the largest banks -- the ones that deal in the foreign exchange markets -- are willing to pay for the various currencies.  These rates are, at best, only loosely related to differences in costs of living among countries.  They're more influenced by goods and services that are traded between countries in large currency amounts, like, for example:  (1) how much German beer and French wine Americans want to buy vs. how much US whiskey and premium liquors EU residents want to buy; or (2) how many Boeing airliners that European airlines want to buy vs. how many Airbus planes that US airlines want to buy.

Even within the EU, both costs and some aspects of standards of living vary considerably, so converting between euro prices vs. prices in local currencies other than the euro (like Hungarian forints) can be misleading -- although probably much less so than comparing them with US dollar prices.  And as both your comments and @Doug 's post above refer to, most prices are lower outside of large cities.  (Taxi fares are one of many possible exceptions, unless they're regulated nationwide by the national government.  Fares tend to be relatively higher outside metropolitan areas, where there's probably only one taxicab company, than in a large metropolitan area, where there may be a dozen or more.)  On the other hand, outside larger metropolitan areas, there tend to be fewer cultural and entertainment attractions, like professional sports, museums, theaters, nice restaurants and bars, and even movie/film theaters.  Many people are willing to trade the cultural amenities -- and higher cost of living, including rents -- of large metropolitan areas for the quiet serenity and lower living costs of more rural areas, while others prefer the opposite trade-off.  Which group has a higher standard of living?  It all depends on their own personal tastes and preferences!

Finally, even though @bakersman94 and I both live in North America, it's highly probable that he needs significantly more cold-weather clothing in Canada than I do in the Mid-Atlantic region of the US (roughly halfway between our most northeastern states, like Maine, and our southeastern-most states, like Florida).  Ask @ColtMann , who lives in Florida, how much he spends on clothing and other gear for very cold weather (heavy coats, snow boots,  snow shovels, etc.)!

19 hours ago, majikthis said:

The  percentage of your monthly income you have left each month after paying the bills and food (there is a name for it in statistics but I can't remember)...

In the US, this is similar to what we call "discretionary income."  (This term refers to the dollar amount of income rather than the percentage.)

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@JackFTwist, @majikthis, @Doug

I totally agree with you. It's like to compare apples to oranges.

But, we have a discussion now. 😉

Various conditions must be taken into account. Regional differences should be considered as well as differences between individual countries.

I found this nice table. Annual gross income compared to the net income of an average worker, single, no child. 
In my region, we can assume about 65 % AW. Exchange rate: US $ 1 = € 0.89

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This means that this exemplary single has € 1,842 a month. He has an apartment in a village and pays € 800 a month, In addition, € 50 electricity costs.

But now he needs a car because he can not use public transport to get to work. We can accept an amount for car maintenance costs (fuel, insurance, ...) of € 400 per month.
This doesn't cover costs for a new (or used) car he needs by time.

His costs for telephone, internet, and televisions € 60, another € 20 for cell phone and € 17.50 TV license (GEZ). In addition, he pays for private pension 80 € per month, € 30 for home contents insurance and accident insurance.

He spends € 200 a month on food, another € 20 per month on personal hygiene and cleaning products.

€ 1,842 net income
- € 800 rent
- € 50 electricity
- € 400 car
- € 60 telephone, internet, TV
- € 20 cell phone
- € 17.50 TV license
- € 80 pension
- € 30 other insurances
- € 200 food
- € 20 personal hygiene and cleaning products

= € 164.50

At this point, he has not spent a cent on clothing, cinema, and other things.

However, I would recommend a smaller apartment. He could achieve savings of € 200. 🙂

If he moved to the nearby town, he would get better pay. He could use public transport. However, he would have to pay twice as much for a 120 sqm apartment.

On my travels, it often happens that I think one or the other product is cheap or even expensive. I usually compare it with prices I'm used to pay. Unfortunately, I don't always see the entire picture.
Exactly the same happens when I host guest from other countries. 

Social security insurance for unemployment, health insurance, etc. are required by law in Germany and are automatically deducted from the gross wage. In addition, the employer must contribute a share.

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Therefore, there are big differences between gross income and net income.

 

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@bakersman94 Thanks, Wes. So you pay the half of your monthly income for your bedroom. That's pretty much. 

Here, it's recommended not to pay more than 30 percent of the net income for basic rent. Unfortunately, rental rates rise.

It is, among other things, a result of low interest rates. Investors have been increasingly buying rental properties since the economic crisis. 

Further reasons are new and stronger regulations for heat protection in modernization. It simply makes any modernization more expensive.

Especially for singles and families with lower income, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find affordable housing.

Therefore, the mentioned 30 percent are a wishful thinking. Nowadays, it is often necessary to spend 40 to 50 percent (especially in bigger cities) of the net income on rent. 

For me, this trend is worrisome, as it causes the remaining disposable income to decline steadily. That's dangerous for the entire economy.

 

Frankly, I'm in the advantageous situation of not having to pay rent since I life with my partner in his house. 

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although we rent the main floor of a small house, i only pay part of the rent. it isn`t really paying for the bedroom, but it is my sister`s home, and her eldest son, and myself pay her to live there. it is based on when she owned her own home. when we moved to the small house, the way we paid our rent to her fit in with the way her eldest son, and myself had paid our rent at her other house. in that case, i pay rent for my bedroom. between when her son and i, the rent her son and i pay at the new house, all my sis has to add to cover the full rent is just over $200.00 ($200.00 is equal to €154.64). with love from Wes!! hugs!!!  

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@Tomster :  Thanks.  These are very informative tables.  In the subtitle of the first table, "In US dollars using PPP...," the "PPP" stands for "Purchasing Power Parity."  That means the data is adjusted for differences in the cost of living and in living standards across countries, so the adjusted income levels shown for different countries have (mostly) removed the problem of comparing apples and oranges.  As a result, comparisons of incomes among countries will be more meaningful than they would be using unadjusted data based only on exchange rates. 

(The process of determining PPP includes numerous assumptions and uses sample data to produce careful, detailed estimates, but keep in mind that they're still only approximations.  PPP estimates aren't intended to be accurate down to the last dollar, or even the last 1,000 dollars.  So some of the small differences between countries may not be statistically significant.  But they're much more realistic than the unadjusted estimates would be.  Instead of comparing apples and oranges, using PPP data is analogous to comparing one specific variety of apples grown in one climate with exactly the same variety grown in another climate.  The apples might have some noticeable differences, but they're much more similar to each other than they are to oranges.)

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